[Evolution] imap error message is annoying

Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:12:49 +0800

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You could make your own patch which just surpressed displaying of that
message.  But then some operations would fail silently, and you might
want to know they failed, which is why we don't do it normally.

On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 10:32 -0800, Jay Kreps wrote:

> Right, but put yourself in the position of the user.  One email client
> produces irritating and useless error messages at regular intervals,
> whereas all others work fine.  I doubt any reasonable person would
> conclude that it was the server that was broken; they would probably
> just use a different email client.  
> 
> I am trying not to be a helpless user here, I am quite willing to fix
> the problem myself.  But before I do this I just want someone to agree
> that it would be better if evolution just showed you as being
> disconnected and omitted the errors (which would confuse any non-
> technical person anyway).  If no one thinks this is a problem, then I
> would be wasting my time creating a fix. I would also very much
> appreciate it, if someone could give a bit of advice on what to change
> to accomplish this.  I can, of course, figure it out for myself, but I
> suspect that it would be only a matter of a few minutes for someone who
> knew the codebase well to advice me, and would save me a great deal of
> time and mucking about.  Perhaps I have emailed the wrong list and no
> one here is qualified to do this?
> 
> Also, 10 minutes is a made up number.  In fact I do not know (aside from
> the mail check polling interval) when evolution is and is not active
> IMAP-wise, so I can't say how long.  I said ~10 minutes, but it may well
> be 30.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Jay
> 
> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 11:05 -0500, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> > the IMAP spec also guarentees that the server will not disconnect the
> > client until at LEAST 30 minutes of inactivity
> > 
> > so 10 minutes == broken server
> > 
> > and if it really is disconnecting after 10 minutes no matter what (even
> > if there is activity), then that just means the server is even more
> > broken.
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 10:27 +0800, Gideon N. Guillen wrote:
> > > On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:43:32 -0800, Jay Kreps <ejk@ucsc.edu> wrote:
> > > > That is an excellent suggestion, but unfortunately that was the first
> > > > thing I tried.  The server disconnects after ~10 minutes regardless of
> > > > whether or not you are idle.  Thus changing the mail checking interval
> > > > doesn't have any effect.
> > > 
> > > How many minutes did you set Evolution for the polling interval anyway?
> > > 
> > > If it still disconnects even if you set Evolution to retrieve new mail
> > > automatically at at time lesser than 10 minutes (let's say every 5
> > > minutes) or if you check it manually every 10 minutes, then the mail
> > > server must be broken.
> > > 
> 
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You could make your own patch which just surpressed displaying of that message.&nbsp; But then some operations would fail silently, and you might want to know they failed, which is why we don't do it normally. 
 
 
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 10:32 -0800, Jay Kreps wrote:
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Right, but put yourself in the position of the user. One email client
produces irritating and useless error messages at regular intervals,
whereas all others work fine. I doubt any reasonable person would
conclude that it was the server that was broken; they would probably
just use a different email client.

I am trying not to be a helpless user here, I am quite willing to fix
the problem myself. But before I do this I just want someone to agree
that it would be better if evolution just showed you as being
disconnected and omitted the errors (which would confuse any non-
technical person anyway). If no one thinks this is a problem, then I
would be wasting my time creating a fix. I would also very much
appreciate it, if someone could give a bit of advice on what to change
to accomplish this. I can, of course, figure it out for myself, but I
suspect that it would be only a matter of a few minutes for someone who
knew the codebase well to advice me, and would save me a great deal of
time and mucking about. Perhaps I have emailed the wrong list and no
one here is qualified to do this?

Also, 10 minutes is a made up number. In fact I do not know (aside from
the mail check polling interval) when evolution is and is not active
IMAP-wise, so I can't say how long. I said ~10 minutes, but it may well
be 30.

<FONT COLOR="#000000">Thanks!</FONT>

<FONT COLOR="#000000">-Jay</FONT>

On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 11:05 -0500, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
&gt; the IMAP spec also guarentees that the server will not disconnect the
&gt; client until at LEAST 30 minutes of inactivity
&gt; 
&gt; so 10 minutes == broken server
&gt; 
&gt; and if it really is disconnecting after 10 minutes no matter what (even
&gt; if there is activity), then that just means the server is even more
&gt; broken.
&gt; 
&gt; Jeff
&gt; 
&gt; On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 10:27 +0800, Gideon N. Guillen wrote:
&gt; &gt; On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:43:32 -0800, Jay Kreps &lt;<A HREF="mailto:ejk@ucsc.edu">ejk@ucsc.edu</A>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; That is an excellent suggestion, but unfortunately that was the first
&gt; &gt; &gt; thing I tried. The server disconnects after ~10 minutes regardless of
&gt; &gt; &gt; whether or not you are idle. Thus changing the mail checking interval
&gt; &gt; &gt; doesn't have any effect.
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; How many minutes did you set Evolution for the polling interval anyway?
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; If it still disconnects even if you set Evolution to retrieve new mail
&gt; &gt; automatically at at time lesser than 10 minutes (let's say every 5
&gt; &gt; minutes) or if you check it manually every 10 minutes, then the mail
&gt; &gt; server must be broken.
&gt; &gt;

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