[Cocoa-sharp] [Mono-list] how can i integrate cocoa# into xcode

Mon Jan 21 14:29:19 EST 2008

Manuel,

   Yes its likely better for me to post objc2# so that we can  
collaboratively determine a solid foundation for ALL bindings that  
will use ObjC in the future.  I'll try to get something in SVN by end  
of week; then perhaps we can organize an IRC meeting for all  
interested parties to hash things out.

-g

On 21-Jan-08, at 2:11 PM, Manuel de la Pena wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm willing to help in the new Cocoa# development, does that main that
> is better to wait until you post the new code?? If everything is going
> to be changed we might as well wait until we get your new code.
>
> Let me know which is the best way to proceed and which way can I help
> you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Manuel
>
> On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 13:30 -0500, Geoff Norton wrote:
>> Removed mono-list cause this has nothing to do with that.
>>
>> I am the founder and maintainer of Cocoa# which has languished for
>> some time but there is some new found interest of late, and my
>> employment at novell has freed up time to do a better job of
>> maintainership.
>>
>> I didn't start the google group, I dont run it.  It has nothing to do
>> with the Cocoa# effort as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>> All Cocoa# development takes place on cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com.
>>
>> I've mentioned in a few places that I've written a binding to
>> objective-c v2 which will become the new foundation for Cocoa# and
>> ObjC#.  I hope to land at least some preliminary stuff in svn in the
>> next week or two to start planning the next generation of cocoa#
>>
>> -g
>>
>> On 18-Jan-08, at 2:24 PM, Manuel de la Pena wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> Seems that we have some communication problems at cocoa-sharp...  
>>> (big
>>> ones I'd say) We have two different mailing lists :
>>>
>>> cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
>>> cocoa-sharp-dev at googlegroups.com
>>>
>>> I really don't understand the mailing list situation:
>>>
>>> As in other project we have a dev and non-dev group, but clearly  
>>> cocoa
>>> should not have a non-dev group. Think about it, we have evolution  
>>> and
>>> evolution-dev. The evolution one is for the evolution users while
>>> evolution-dev is for the developers, but in our case we have
>>> developers in both sides. Do we really want the non-dev one since
>>> cocoa is a library anyway. On top of this we are having discussions
>>> about similar things in both and I think things are getting out f
>>> hand.
>>>
>>> On the google one a couple of us have been talking about how to  
>>> write
>>> some proper documentation, I have offer to use my server to held the
>>> project (500 gb per moth bandwidth etc.. ) and I don't mind paying
>>> that. But we seriously have to sort out the group!!!!
>>>
>>> I know that there is people that want to help the group and work a  
>>> lot
>>> but we first have to fix all the problems we have and centralize all
>>> the info of the project. We have potential coders with the skills  
>>> but
>>> when they see this situation they get scared.
>>>
>>> We need to discuss a solution... please replay to both mailing lists
>>> so everyone reads it until we decide which one to use.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Manuel
>>>
>>> PS: For the time being I recommend everyone to read both.
>>>
>>> PS 2: I've also posted this at the mono lists to get some help from
>>> our big brothers at mono, I'm sure they can give us a hand.
>>>
>>> On 18/01/2008, at 18:08, Andreas Färber wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> Am 18.01.2008 um 17:32 schrieb marc hoffman:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd love to help out if i can. I've already looked into getting  
>>>>> some
>>>>> of this
>>>>> stuff working in Xcode 3 a while back but iirc it failed on the
>>>>> langspec, and i
>>>>> couldn't figure out what part it didn't like anymore :(. If you  
>>>>> have
>>>>> anything
>>>>> that works better than what's in SVN now, i'd love to have a look.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still at the stage that I don't see anything of what I've  
>>>> written
>>>> in Xcode, no new menu item.
>>>>
>>>>> Out of curiosity: are you baisn gyour work on any official or  
>>>>> semi-
>>>>> official
>>>>> documentation that might be out there (i couldn’t find any on  
>>>>> ADC),
>>>>> or are you
>>>>> too just doing this by trial-and-error and the few unofficial  
>>>>> infos
>>>>> that Google
>>>>> serves up (such as http://maxao.free.fr/xcode-plugin-interface/index.html)?
>>>>
>>>> I am not aware of any documentation other than Damien's, and that  
>>>> was
>>>> not even up-to-date for 2.3. Moreover I see his headers for native
>>>> ObjC code as problematic (they are GPL, thus any code derived  
>>>> from it
>>>> becomes GPL while Xcode is not GPL; depending on interpretations,
>>>> this
>>>> can be regarded as violation) and instead had a BSD-ish plugin  
>>>> based
>>>> on Cocoa-sharq; the accompanying spec files were integrated with
>>>> bridged ObjC code, and ObjC is the part we can pretty much dump  
>>>> first
>>>> when a new version is out... I used a managed framework to inspect
>>>> the
>>>> available classes, their methods and then probed all interesting
>>>> parameters, and in the end some trial-and-error. I'd like to avoid
>>>> that work for now!
>>>>
>>>> So currently I am trying to deploy my draft spec files to / 
>>>> Developer/
>>>> Library/Xcode/Specifications but I'm not sure if they are even  
>>>> being
>>>> picked up there, there are only xctxtmacro files and an xcplugin
>>>> there. (it would've been handy)
>>>>
>>>> There are some files in /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/
>>>> DevToolsCore.framework/Resources that look the same as in Xcode 2.4
>>>> (pb*spec). XcodeEdit.Framework has differing "xclangspec" files.
>>>> ASKPlugin uses an xcspec file containing an old-style language
>>>> definition (referring to a custom native scanner).
>>>> Looking at the existing local Xcode files is the closest thing to
>>>> "documentation" I currently have.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Andreas
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