[Cocoa-sharp] [Mono-list] how can i integrate cocoa# into xcode

Manuel de la Pena etil15 at gmail.com
Mon Jan 21 14:38:36 EST 2008 

Hi Geoff, Andrew

That sounds just great, I think using IRC seems to be the best idea.
Using your new bindings is going to be exciting, I can't wait for that.
Are we going to start from scratch? After the "virtual" death of the
project plus the addition of the new bindings it might be the very best
idea. Let me know what I can do to help.

Manuel

On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 14:29 -0500, Geoff Norton wrote:
> Manuel,
> 
>    Yes its likely better for me to post objc2# so that we can  
> collaboratively determine a solid foundation for ALL bindings that  
> will use ObjC in the future.  I'll try to get something in SVN by end  
> of week; then perhaps we can organize an IRC meeting for all  
> interested parties to hash things out.
> 
> -g
> 
> On 21-Jan-08, at 2:11 PM, Manuel de la Pena wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm willing to help in the new Cocoa# development, does that main that
> > is better to wait until you post the new code?? If everything is going
> > to be changed we might as well wait until we get your new code.
> >
> > Let me know which is the best way to proceed and which way can I help
> > you.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Manuel
> >
> > On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 13:30 -0500, Geoff Norton wrote:
> >> Removed mono-list cause this has nothing to do with that.
> >>
> >> I am the founder and maintainer of Cocoa# which has languished for
> >> some time but there is some new found interest of late, and my
> >> employment at novell has freed up time to do a better job of
> >> maintainership.
> >>
> >> I didn't start the google group, I dont run it.  It has nothing to do
> >> with the Cocoa# effort as far as I'm concerned.
> >>
> >> All Cocoa# development takes place on cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com.
> >>
> >> I've mentioned in a few places that I've written a binding to
> >> objective-c v2 which will become the new foundation for Cocoa# and
> >> ObjC#.  I hope to land at least some preliminary stuff in svn in the
> >> next week or two to start planning the next generation of cocoa#
> >>
> >> -g
> >>
> >> On 18-Jan-08, at 2:24 PM, Manuel de la Pena wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>>
> >>> Seems that we have some communication problems at cocoa-sharp...  
> >>> (big
> >>> ones I'd say) We have two different mailing lists :
> >>>
> >>> cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> >>> cocoa-sharp-dev at googlegroups.com
> >>>
> >>> I really don't understand the mailing list situation:
> >>>
> >>> As in other project we have a dev and non-dev group, but clearly  
> >>> cocoa
> >>> should not have a non-dev group. Think about it, we have evolution  
> >>> and
> >>> evolution-dev. The evolution one is for the evolution users while
> >>> evolution-dev is for the developers, but in our case we have
> >>> developers in both sides. Do we really want the non-dev one since
> >>> cocoa is a library anyway. On top of this we are having discussions
> >>> about similar things in both and I think things are getting out f
> >>> hand.
> >>>
> >>> On the google one a couple of us have been talking about how to  
> >>> write
> >>> some proper documentation, I have offer to use my server to held the
> >>> project (500 gb per moth bandwidth etc.. ) and I don't mind paying
> >>> that. But we seriously have to sort out the group!!!!
> >>>
> >>> I know that there is people that want to help the group and work a  
> >>> lot
> >>> but we first have to fix all the problems we have and centralize all
> >>> the info of the project. We have potential coders with the skills  
> >>> but
> >>> when they see this situation they get scared.
> >>>
> >>> We need to discuss a solution... please replay to both mailing lists
> >>> so everyone reads it until we decide which one to use.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Manuel
> >>>
> >>> PS: For the time being I recommend everyone to read both.
> >>>
> >>> PS 2: I've also posted this at the mono lists to get some help from
> >>> our big brothers at mono, I'm sure they can give us a hand.
> >>>
> >>> On 18/01/2008, at 18:08, Andreas Färber wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey,
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 18.01.2008 um 17:32 schrieb marc hoffman:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'd love to help out if i can. I've already looked into getting  
> >>>>> some
> >>>>> of this
> >>>>> stuff working in Xcode 3 a while back but iirc it failed on the
> >>>>> langspec, and i
> >>>>> couldn't figure out what part it didn't like anymore :(. If you  
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> anything
> >>>>> that works better than what's in SVN now, i'd love to have a look.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm still at the stage that I don't see anything of what I've  
> >>>> written
> >>>> in Xcode, no new menu item.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Out of curiosity: are you baisn gyour work on any official or  
> >>>>> semi-
> >>>>> official
> >>>>> documentation that might be out there (i couldn’t find any on  
> >>>>> ADC),
> >>>>> or are you
> >>>>> too just doing this by trial-and-error and the few unofficial  
> >>>>> infos
> >>>>> that Google
> >>>>> serves up (such as http://maxao.free.fr/xcode-plugin-interface/index.html)?
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not aware of any documentation other than Damien's, and that  
> >>>> was
> >>>> not even up-to-date for 2.3. Moreover I see his headers for native
> >>>> ObjC code as problematic (they are GPL, thus any code derived  
> >>>> from it
> >>>> becomes GPL while Xcode is not GPL; depending on interpretations,
> >>>> this
> >>>> can be regarded as violation) and instead had a BSD-ish plugin  
> >>>> based
> >>>> on Cocoa-sharq; the accompanying spec files were integrated with
> >>>> bridged ObjC code, and ObjC is the part we can pretty much dump  
> >>>> first
> >>>> when a new version is out... I used a managed framework to inspect
> >>>> the
> >>>> available classes, their methods and then probed all interesting
> >>>> parameters, and in the end some trial-and-error. I'd like to avoid
> >>>> that work for now!
> >>>>
> >>>> So currently I am trying to deploy my draft spec files to / 
> >>>> Developer/
> >>>> Library/Xcode/Specifications but I'm not sure if they are even  
> >>>> being
> >>>> picked up there, there are only xctxtmacro files and an xcplugin
> >>>> there. (it would've been handy)
> >>>>
> >>>> There are some files in /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/
> >>>> DevToolsCore.framework/Resources that look the same as in Xcode 2.4
> >>>> (pb*spec). XcodeEdit.Framework has differing "xclangspec" files.
> >>>> ASKPlugin uses an xcspec file containing an old-style language
> >>>> definition (referring to a custom native scanner).
> >>>> Looking at the existing local Xcode files is the closest thing to
> >>>> "documentation" I currently have.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Andreas
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