[Cocoa-sharp] [Mono-list] how can i integrate cocoa# into xcode (ruby)

Wed Jan 23 16:41:37 EST 2008

Am 23.01.2008 um 19:34 schrieb Andrew Brehm:

> I am wondering... does it help that Apple now provided Python and Ruby
> bindings with Xcode 3?

I just can say, Ruby Rocks, even with Cocoa ;-)
Just look on http://www.rubycocoa.com/ there are a lot of examples.
Im not realy sure if im liking Ruby more than C# ;-)
I am so happy that Apple included this and i need no third party tool.

>
>
> On Jan 21, 2008 7:38 PM, Manuel de la Pena <etil15 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Geoff, Andrew
>>
>> That sounds just great, I think using IRC seems to be the best idea.
>> Using your new bindings is going to be exciting, I can't wait for  
>> that.
>> Are we going to start from scratch? After the "virtual" death of the
>> project plus the addition of the new bindings it might be the very  
>> best
>> idea. Let me know what I can do to help.
>>
>> Manuel
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 14:29 -0500, Geoff Norton wrote:
>>> Manuel,
>>>
>>>   Yes its likely better for me to post objc2# so that we can
>>> collaboratively determine a solid foundation for ALL bindings that
>>> will use ObjC in the future.  I'll try to get something in SVN by  
>>> end
>>> of week; then perhaps we can organize an IRC meeting for all
>>> interested parties to hash things out.
>>>
>>> -g
>>>
>>> On 21-Jan-08, at 2:11 PM, Manuel de la Pena wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm willing to help in the new Cocoa# development, does that main  
>>>> that
>>>> is better to wait until you post the new code?? If everything is  
>>>> going
>>>> to be changed we might as well wait until we get your new code.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know which is the best way to proceed and which way can I  
>>>> help
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Manuel
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 13:30 -0500, Geoff Norton wrote:
>>>>> Removed mono-list cause this has nothing to do with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am the founder and maintainer of Cocoa# which has languished for
>>>>> some time but there is some new found interest of late, and my
>>>>> employment at novell has freed up time to do a better job of
>>>>> maintainership.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't start the google group, I dont run it.  It has nothing  
>>>>> to do
>>>>> with the Cocoa# effort as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>> All Cocoa# development takes place on cocoa- 
>>>>> sharp at lists.ximian.com.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've mentioned in a few places that I've written a binding to
>>>>> objective-c v2 which will become the new foundation for Cocoa# and
>>>>> ObjC#.  I hope to land at least some preliminary stuff in svn in  
>>>>> the
>>>>> next week or two to start planning the next generation of cocoa#
>>>>>
>>>>> -g
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18-Jan-08, at 2:24 PM, Manuel de la Pena wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems that we have some communication problems at cocoa-sharp...
>>>>>> (big
>>>>>> ones I'd say) We have two different mailing lists :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
>>>>>> cocoa-sharp-dev at googlegroups.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't understand the mailing list situation:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As in other project we have a dev and non-dev group, but clearly
>>>>>> cocoa
>>>>>> should not have a non-dev group. Think about it, we have  
>>>>>> evolution
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> evolution-dev. The evolution one is for the evolution users while
>>>>>> evolution-dev is for the developers, but in our case we have
>>>>>> developers in both sides. Do we really want the non-dev one since
>>>>>> cocoa is a library anyway. On top of this we are having  
>>>>>> discussions
>>>>>> about similar things in both and I think things are getting out f
>>>>>> hand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the google one a couple of us have been talking about how to
>>>>>> write
>>>>>> some proper documentation, I have offer to use my server to  
>>>>>> held the
>>>>>> project (500 gb per moth bandwidth etc.. ) and I don't mind  
>>>>>> paying
>>>>>> that. But we seriously have to sort out the group!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that there is people that want to help the group and  
>>>>>> work a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> but we first have to fix all the problems we have and  
>>>>>> centralize all
>>>>>> the info of the project. We have potential coders with the skills
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> when they see this situation they get scared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to discuss a solution... please replay to both mailing  
>>>>>> lists
>>>>>> so everyone reads it until we decide which one to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Manuel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: For the time being I recommend everyone to read both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS 2: I've also posted this at the mono lists to get some help  
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> our big brothers at mono, I'm sure they can give us a hand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/01/2008, at 18:08, Andreas Färber wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 18.01.2008 um 17:32 schrieb marc hoffman:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd love to help out if i can. I've already looked into getting
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>>>>> stuff working in Xcode 3 a while back but iirc it failed on the
>>>>>>>> langspec, and i
>>>>>>>> couldn't figure out what part it didn't like anymore :(. If you
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> that works better than what's in SVN now, i'd love to have a  
>>>>>>>> look.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm still at the stage that I don't see anything of what I've
>>>>>>> written
>>>>>>> in Xcode, no new menu item.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Out of curiosity: are you baisn gyour work on any official or
>>>>>>>> semi-
>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>> documentation that might be out there (i couldn't find any on
>>>>>>>> ADC),
>>>>>>>> or are you
>>>>>>>> too just doing this by trial-and-error and the few unofficial
>>>>>>>> infos
>>>>>>>> that Google
>>>>>>>> serves up (such as http://maxao.free.fr/xcode-plugin-interface/index.html)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not aware of any documentation other than Damien's, and  
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> not even up-to-date for 2.3. Moreover I see his headers for  
>>>>>>> native
>>>>>>> ObjC code as problematic (they are GPL, thus any code derived
>>>>>>> from it
>>>>>>> becomes GPL while Xcode is not GPL; depending on  
>>>>>>> interpretations,
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> can be regarded as violation) and instead had a BSD-ish plugin
>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>> on Cocoa-sharq; the accompanying spec files were integrated with
>>>>>>> bridged ObjC code, and ObjC is the part we can pretty much dump
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> when a new version is out... I used a managed framework to  
>>>>>>> inspect
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> available classes, their methods and then probed all interesting
>>>>>>> parameters, and in the end some trial-and-error. I'd like to  
>>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>>> that work for now!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So currently I am trying to deploy my draft spec files to /
>>>>>>> Developer/
>>>>>>> Library/Xcode/Specifications but I'm not sure if they are even
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> picked up there, there are only xctxtmacro files and an xcplugin
>>>>>>> there. (it would've been handy)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are some files in /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/
>>>>>>> DevToolsCore.framework/Resources that look the same as in  
>>>>>>> Xcode 2.4
>>>>>>> (pb*spec). XcodeEdit.Framework has differing "xclangspec" files.
>>>>>>> ASKPlugin uses an xcspec file containing an old-style language
>>>>>>> definition (referring to a custom native scanner).
>>>>>>> Looking at the existing local Xcode files is the closest thing  
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> "documentation" I currently have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andreas
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