From david at apollo-medical.com  Sat Mar  1 04:45:50 2008
From: david at apollo-medical.com (David Jehring)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:45:50 +0000
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
Message-ID: <C3EED64E.48DE%david@apollo-medical.com>

Having got to grips with writing cocoa sharp applications over the past
couple of weeks I am experiencing a significant problem of UI performance,
as noted in another posting earlier this week. Even a simple ?Hello world?
application shows significant screen lag when resizing and consumes
disproportionate CPU time, once you add a couple of views to a window
resizing can consume 90% of CPU time. Typing into a text field with an event
attached can produce a lag of a second or so between characters. As with all
open source software when you find these things there is always a strong
possibility that this is to do with local configuration, but in addition to
the posting this week I note a thread called ?Performance on Leopard? last
year discussing this issue with no conclusion. Are others experiencing this
? If so is there anyone with insight as to what the underlying issue is and
what is required to resolve it. I see cocoa sharp as the most sensible way
to bring my web service based client applications from Windows to OS X and
would be very happy to contribute to the open source effort, however this
issue would seem to be a bit of a showstopper.

David

Dr David Jehring
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From maillist at ellisoft.de  Sun Mar  2 06:53:58 2008
From: maillist at ellisoft.de (Elli)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:53:58 +0100
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp]   OpenFileDialog
In-Reply-To: <C3EED64E.48DE%david@apollo-medical.com>
References: <C3EED64E.48DE%david@apollo-medical.com>
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From ajbrehm at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 08:10:34 2008
From: ajbrehm at gmail.com (Andrew Brehm)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:10:34 +0000
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Web site
Message-ID: <49f8fc020803040510k57553663wd684f64f5edc16f4@mail.gmail.com>

What's up with the Web site?

From david at apollo-medical.com  Fri Mar  7 04:51:25 2008
From: david at apollo-medical.com (David Jehring)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:51:25 +0000
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
Message-ID: <C3F6C09D.4B42%david@apollo-medical.com>

Thanks Edward, it is reassuring to hear that it is a known issue but
somewhat disappointing that such a fundamental problem has existed for so
long with no sign of it being addressed. Following the initial deafeningly
silent response to my post I have abandoned cocoa-sharp and gone back to the
somewhat more laborious task of porting my clients to pure obj-c. It seems a
shame but I cannot risk the issue not being resolved and ending up with
unusable applications.

David


On 06/03/2008 21:31, "Edward Carr" <ecarr at lightshipinc.com> wrote:

> David,
>  
> I have seen the same issue that you are seeing. We actually use a previous
> version of Cocoa-sharp, which performs 1000% better. I have raised this issue
> before in the past, but no one seemed to acknowledge it. With the previous
> version, we were able to put together a great performing product.
>  
> Edward Carr
>  
> 
> 
> From: cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> [mailto:cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of David Jehring
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:46 AM
> To: Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
>  
> Having got to grips with writing cocoa sharp applications over the past couple
> of weeks I am experiencing a significant problem of UI performance, as noted
> in another posting earlier this week. Even a simple ?Hello world? application
> shows significant screen lag when resizing and consumes disproportionate CPU
> time, once you add a couple of views to a window resizing can consume 90% of
> CPU time. Typing into a text field with an event attached can produce a lag of
> a second or so between characters. As with all open source software when you
> find these things there is always a strong possibility that this is to do with
> local configuration, but in addition to the posting this week I note a thread
> called ?Performance on Leopard? last year discussing this issue with no
> conclusion. Are others experiencing this ? If so is there anyone with insight
> as to what the underlying issue is and what is required to resolve it. I see
> cocoa sharp as the most sensible way to bring my web service based client
> applications from Windows to OS X and would be very happy to contribute to the
> open source effort, however this issue would seem to be a bit of a
> showstopper.
> 
> David
> 
> Dr David Jehring 
> 
> 

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From mh at elitedev.com  Fri Mar  7 05:09:48 2008
From: mh at elitedev.com (marc hoffman)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:09:48 +0100
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
In-Reply-To: <C3F6C09D.4B42%david@apollo-medical.com>
References: <C3F6C09D.4B42%david@apollo-medical.com>
Message-ID: <9EE4A25C-6731-4CC6-94CB-69BDCB851E03@elitedev.com>

David,

i too am seeing this, and it *seems* to be a leopard problem only. i  
remember speed being just fine when i first played with Cocoa# on  
10.4, last September/October, then when i switched to leopard things  
turned bad (i posted at the time). i've seen some improvements in  
general UI since 1.2.6 (i think), for example my  
MethiodHeaderConverter works fine. but even a simple app using a grid  
(such as http://www.remobjects.com?da35 slows to a crawl - and it's  
NOT the callbacks to get data or coloring info 0 its just as slow  
without).

one major culprit, i think, is the new Toolbar. it might sound silly,  
but in my first tests back when i switched to Leopard, i got the  
impression that the simple presence of a toolbar changed speed. drop  
an textedit - all is fine. drop a toolbar too, and typing got  
reaaaallllllyyyyy slloooowwww, and Mono.exe ate a full CPU, according  
to "top" while you did.

Yours,

marc hoffman

RemObjects Software
The Infrastructure Company
http://www.remobjects.com


On Mar 7, 2008, at 10:51 AM, David Jehring wrote:

> Thanks Edward, it is reassuring to hear that it is a known issue but  
> somewhat disappointing that such a fundamental problem has existed  
> for so long with no sign of it being addressed. Following the  
> initial deafeningly silent response to my post I have abandoned  
> cocoa-sharp and gone back to the somewhat more laborious task of  
> porting my clients to pure obj-c. It seems a shame but I cannot risk  
> the issue not being resolved and ending up with unusable applications.
>
> David
>
>
> On 06/03/2008 21:31, "Edward Carr" <ecarr at lightshipinc.com> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> I have seen the same issue that you are seeing. We actually use a  
>> previous version of Cocoa-sharp, which performs 1000% better. I  
>> have raised this issue before in the past, but no one seemed to  
>> acknowledge it. With the previous version, we were able to put  
>> together a great performing product.
>>
>> Edward Carr
>>
>> From: cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com [mailto:cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of David Jehring
>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:46 AM
>> To: Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
>> Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
>>
>> Having got to grips with writing cocoa sharp applications over the  
>> past couple of weeks I am experiencing a significant problem of UI  
>> performance, as noted in another posting earlier this week. Even a  
>> simple ?Hello world? application shows significant screen lag when  
>> resizing and consumes disproportionate CPU time, once you add a  
>> couple of views to a window resizing can consume 90% of CPU time.  
>> Typing into a text field with an event attached can produce a lag  
>> of a second or so between characters. As with all open source  
>> software when you find these things there is always a strong  
>> possibility that this is to do with local configuration, but in  
>> addition to the posting this week I note a thread called  
>> ?Performance on Leopard? last year discussing this issue with no  
>> conclusion. Are others experiencing this ? If so is there anyone  
>> with insight as to what the underlying issue is and what is  
>> required to resolve it. I see cocoa sharp as the most sensible way  
>> to bring my web service based client applications from Windows to  
>> OS X and would be very happy to contribute to the open source  
>> effort, however this issue would seem to be a bit of a showstopper.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Dr David Jehring
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp


From ecarr at lightshipinc.com  Fri Mar  7 08:37:12 2008
From: ecarr at lightshipinc.com (Edward Carr)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:37:12 -0500
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
In-Reply-To: <9EE4A25C-6731-4CC6-94CB-69BDCB851E03@elitedev.com>
References: <C3F6C09D.4B42%david@apollo-medical.com>
	<9EE4A25C-6731-4CC6-94CB-69BDCB851E03@elitedev.com>
Message-ID: <016801c88058$5a427000$0502a8c0@atlantic2k.private>

The performance problem is not a Leopard only issue. We have the same
problem when running under 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5. It's a fundamental issue
with the interop classes. I've replaced just the interop classes with ones
from an initial release when there was stackpadding and voodoo magic going
on; I forget the actual release, but I believe it is the source that was
used to build the cocoa-sharp that is still being released with Mono today.
This original (but messy) code performs much better than the current code.

Edward Carr

-----Original Message-----
From: cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com
[mailto:cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of marc hoffman
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:10 AM
To: David Jehring
Cc: Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
Subject: Re: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI

David,

i too am seeing this, and it *seems* to be a leopard problem only. i  
remember speed being just fine when i first played with Cocoa# on  
10.4, last September/October, then when i switched to leopard things  
turned bad (i posted at the time). i've seen some improvements in  
general UI since 1.2.6 (i think), for example my  
MethiodHeaderConverter works fine. but even a simple app using a grid  
(such as http://www.remobjects.com?da35 slows to a crawl - and it's  
NOT the callbacks to get data or coloring info 0 its just as slow  
without).

one major culprit, i think, is the new Toolbar. it might sound silly,  
but in my first tests back when i switched to Leopard, i got the  
impression that the simple presence of a toolbar changed speed. drop  
an textedit - all is fine. drop a toolbar too, and typing got  
reaaaallllllyyyyy slloooowwww, and Mono.exe ate a full CPU, according  
to "top" while you did.

Yours,

marc hoffman

RemObjects Software
The Infrastructure Company
http://www.remobjects.com


On Mar 7, 2008, at 10:51 AM, David Jehring wrote:

> Thanks Edward, it is reassuring to hear that it is a known issue but  
> somewhat disappointing that such a fundamental problem has existed  
> for so long with no sign of it being addressed. Following the  
> initial deafeningly silent response to my post I have abandoned  
> cocoa-sharp and gone back to the somewhat more laborious task of  
> porting my clients to pure obj-c. It seems a shame but I cannot risk  
> the issue not being resolved and ending up with unusable applications.
>
> David
>
>
> On 06/03/2008 21:31, "Edward Carr" <ecarr at lightshipinc.com> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> I have seen the same issue that you are seeing. We actually use a  
>> previous version of Cocoa-sharp, which performs 1000% better. I  
>> have raised this issue before in the past, but no one seemed to  
>> acknowledge it. With the previous version, we were able to put  
>> together a great performing product.
>>
>> Edward Carr
>>
>> From: cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com
[mailto:cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of David Jehring
>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:46 AM
>> To: Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
>> Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
>>
>> Having got to grips with writing cocoa sharp applications over the  
>> past couple of weeks I am experiencing a significant problem of UI  
>> performance, as noted in another posting earlier this week. Even a  
>> simple 'Hello world' application shows significant screen lag when  
>> resizing and consumes disproportionate CPU time, once you add a  
>> couple of views to a window resizing can consume 90% of CPU time.  
>> Typing into a text field with an event attached can produce a lag  
>> of a second or so between characters. As with all open source  
>> software when you find these things there is always a strong  
>> possibility that this is to do with local configuration, but in  
>> addition to the posting this week I note a thread called  
>> 'Performance on Leopard' last year discussing this issue with no  
>> conclusion. Are others experiencing this ? If so is there anyone  
>> with insight as to what the underlying issue is and what is  
>> required to resolve it. I see cocoa sharp as the most sensible way  
>> to bring my web service based client applications from Windows to  
>> OS X and would be very happy to contribute to the open source  
>> effort, however this issue would seem to be a bit of a showstopper.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Dr David Jehring
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp

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From david at apollo-medical.com  Fri Mar  7 09:23:14 2008
From: david at apollo-medical.com (David Jehring)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:23:14 +0000
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
Message-ID: <C3F70052.4B72%david@apollo-medical.com>

Edward,

That is very helpful information and indicates that a fix should be
possible. Have you replaced all of the interop classes, if not which ones ?

David 


On 07/03/2008 13:37, "Edward Carr" <ecarr at lightshipinc.com> wrote:

> The performance problem is not a Leopard only issue. We have the same
> problem when running under 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5. It's a fundamental issue
> with the interop classes. I've replaced just the interop classes with ones
> from an initial release when there was stackpadding and voodoo magic going
> on; I forget the actual release, but I believe it is the source that was
> used to build the cocoa-sharp that is still being released with Mono today.
> This original (but messy) code performs much better than the current code.
> 
> Edward Carr
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> [mailto:cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of marc hoffman
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:10 AM
> To: David Jehring
> Cc: Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
> 
> David,
> 
> i too am seeing this, and it *seems* to be a leopard problem only. i
> remember speed being just fine when i first played with Cocoa# on
> 10.4, last September/October, then when i switched to leopard things
> turned bad (i posted at the time). i've seen some improvements in
> general UI since 1.2.6 (i think), for example my
> MethiodHeaderConverter works fine. but even a simple app using a grid
> (such as http://www.remobjects.com?da35 slows to a crawl - and it's
> NOT the callbacks to get data or coloring info 0 its just as slow
> without).
> 
> one major culprit, i think, is the new Toolbar. it might sound silly,
> but in my first tests back when i switched to Leopard, i got the
> impression that the simple presence of a toolbar changed speed. drop
> an textedit - all is fine. drop a toolbar too, and typing got
> reaaaallllllyyyyy slloooowwww, and Mono.exe ate a full CPU, according
> to "top" while you did.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> marc hoffman
> 
> RemObjects Software
> The Infrastructure Company
> http://www.remobjects.com
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2008, at 10:51 AM, David Jehring wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Edward, it is reassuring to hear that it is a known issue but
>> somewhat disappointing that such a fundamental problem has existed
>> for so long with no sign of it being addressed. Following the
>> initial deafeningly silent response to my post I have abandoned
>> cocoa-sharp and gone back to the somewhat more laborious task of
>> porting my clients to pure obj-c. It seems a shame but I cannot risk
>> the issue not being resolved and ending up with unusable applications.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/03/2008 21:31, "Edward Carr" <ecarr at lightshipinc.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> I have seen the same issue that you are seeing. We actually use a
>>> previous version of Cocoa-sharp, which performs 1000% better. I
>>> have raised this issue before in the past, but no one seemed to
>>> acknowledge it. With the previous version, we were able to put
>>> together a great performing product.
>>> 
>>> Edward Carr
>>> 
>>> From: cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> [mailto:cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of David Jehring
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:46 AM
>>> To: Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
>>> Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
>>> 
>>> Having got to grips with writing cocoa sharp applications over the
>>> past couple of weeks I am experiencing a significant problem of UI
>>> performance, as noted in another posting earlier this week. Even a
>>> simple 'Hello world' application shows significant screen lag when
>>> resizing and consumes disproportionate CPU time, once you add a
>>> couple of views to a window resizing can consume 90% of CPU time.
>>> Typing into a text field with an event attached can produce a lag
>>> of a second or so between characters. As with all open source
>>> software when you find these things there is always a strong
>>> possibility that this is to do with local configuration, but in
>>> addition to the posting this week I note a thread called
>>> 'Performance on Leopard' last year discussing this issue with no
>>> conclusion. Are others experiencing this ? If so is there anyone
>>> with insight as to what the underlying issue is and what is
>>> required to resolve it. I see cocoa sharp as the most sensible way
>>> to bring my web service based client applications from Windows to
>>> OS X and would be very happy to contribute to the open source
>>> effort, however this issue would seem to be a bit of a showstopper.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> Dr David Jehring
>>> 
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
>> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ecarr at lightshipinc.com  Fri Mar  7 10:44:05 2008
From: ecarr at lightshipinc.com (Edward Carr)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:44:05 -0500
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
In-Reply-To: <C3F70052.4B72%david@apollo-medical.com>
References: <C3F70052.4B72%david@apollo-medical.com>
Message-ID: <003901c8806a$138ac790$0502a8c0@atlantic2k.private>

David,

Pretty much all the interop classes had to be reverted/revised in some
manner. Most of the revision was in making sure that the old interop code
matched the new design of the Cocoa wrapper classes.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com
[mailto:cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of David Jehring
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:23 AM
To: Cocoa Sharp
Subject: Re: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI

Edward,

That is very helpful information and indicates that a fix should be
possible. Have you replaced all of the interop classes, if not which ones ?

David 


On 07/03/2008 13:37, "Edward Carr" <ecarr at lightshipinc.com> wrote:

> The performance problem is not a Leopard only issue. We have the same
> problem when running under 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5. It's a fundamental issue
> with the interop classes. I've replaced just the interop classes with ones
> from an initial release when there was stackpadding and voodoo magic going
> on; I forget the actual release, but I believe it is the source that was
> used to build the cocoa-sharp that is still being released with Mono
today.
> This original (but messy) code performs much better than the current code.
> 
> Edward Carr
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> [mailto:cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of marc hoffman
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:10 AM
> To: David Jehring
> Cc: Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> Subject: Re: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
> 
> David,
> 
> i too am seeing this, and it *seems* to be a leopard problem only. i
> remember speed being just fine when i first played with Cocoa# on
> 10.4, last September/October, then when i switched to leopard things
> turned bad (i posted at the time). i've seen some improvements in
> general UI since 1.2.6 (i think), for example my
> MethiodHeaderConverter works fine. but even a simple app using a grid
> (such as http://www.remobjects.com?da35 slows to a crawl - and it's
> NOT the callbacks to get data or coloring info 0 its just as slow
> without).
> 
> one major culprit, i think, is the new Toolbar. it might sound silly,
> but in my first tests back when i switched to Leopard, i got the
> impression that the simple presence of a toolbar changed speed. drop
> an textedit - all is fine. drop a toolbar too, and typing got
> reaaaallllllyyyyy slloooowwww, and Mono.exe ate a full CPU, according
> to "top" while you did.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> marc hoffman
> 
> RemObjects Software
> The Infrastructure Company
> http://www.remobjects.com
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2008, at 10:51 AM, David Jehring wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Edward, it is reassuring to hear that it is a known issue but
>> somewhat disappointing that such a fundamental problem has existed
>> for so long with no sign of it being addressed. Following the
>> initial deafeningly silent response to my post I have abandoned
>> cocoa-sharp and gone back to the somewhat more laborious task of
>> porting my clients to pure obj-c. It seems a shame but I cannot risk
>> the issue not being resolved and ending up with unusable applications.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/03/2008 21:31, "Edward Carr" <ecarr at lightshipinc.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> I have seen the same issue that you are seeing. We actually use a
>>> previous version of Cocoa-sharp, which performs 1000% better. I
>>> have raised this issue before in the past, but no one seemed to
>>> acknowledge it. With the previous version, we were able to put
>>> together a great performing product.
>>> 
>>> Edward Carr
>>> 
>>> From: cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com
> [mailto:cocoa-sharp-bounces at lists.ximian.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of David Jehring
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:46 AM
>>> To: Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
>>> Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Performance of UI
>>> 
>>> Having got to grips with writing cocoa sharp applications over the
>>> past couple of weeks I am experiencing a significant problem of UI
>>> performance, as noted in another posting earlier this week. Even a
>>> simple 'Hello world' application shows significant screen lag when
>>> resizing and consumes disproportionate CPU time, once you add a
>>> couple of views to a window resizing can consume 90% of CPU time.
>>> Typing into a text field with an event attached can produce a lag
>>> of a second or so between characters. As with all open source
>>> software when you find these things there is always a strong
>>> possibility that this is to do with local configuration, but in
>>> addition to the posting this week I note a thread called
>>> 'Performance on Leopard' last year discussing this issue with no
>>> conclusion. Are others experiencing this ? If so is there anyone
>>> with insight as to what the underlying issue is and what is
>>> required to resolve it. I see cocoa sharp as the most sensible way
>>> to bring my web service based client applications from Windows to
>>> OS X and would be very happy to contribute to the open source
>>> effort, however this issue would seem to be a bit of a showstopper.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> Dr David Jehring
>>> 
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
>> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
> 
> 
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From schaveyt at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 14:40:43 2008
From: schaveyt at gmail.com (Todd Schavey)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:40:43 -0500
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] Analyzing Performance
Message-ID: <385a2b040803071140k48441a90yc12359cb73822201@mail.gmail.com>

Doesn't Leopard have DTrace now. I think someone should be able to run
DTrace on their application to gets some peformance metrics. That should
eliminate the guess work of where the bottleneck....
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From ajbrehm at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 13:22:22 2008
From: ajbrehm at gmail.com (Andrew Brehm)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:22:22 +0000
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] CocoaSharp Web site
Message-ID: <49f8fc020803191022r1c9da5fag1592017af321cb01@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

And again I ask if anybody wants to make the Web site look a bit nicer.

If nobody volunteers, please someone tell me which logos I can use and
I will try my best at least to change the site from the Mambo default
look.

Anyone?

From mh at elitedev.com  Wed Mar 19 16:14:24 2008
From: mh at elitedev.com (marc hoffman)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:14:24 +0100
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] CocoaSharp Web site
In-Reply-To: <49f8fc020803191022r1c9da5fag1592017af321cb01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49f8fc020803191022r1c9da5fag1592017af321cb01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70896B9E-0B45-445A-BBA4-7CB73BA49BB6@elitedev.com>

Andrew,

> And again I ask if anybody wants to make the Web site look a bit  
> nicer.
>
> If nobody volunteers, please someone tell me which logos I can use and
> I will try my best at least to change the site from the Mambo default
> look.

i'm out of office the next 3 weeks, but i'd love to get involved a tad  
more with this once i'm back, if no-one else moves forward before  
that :0


Yours,

marc hoffman [on the ROad]

RemObjects Software
The Infrastructure Company
http://www.remobjects.com








From ajbrehm at gmail.com  Fri Mar 28 08:46:22 2008
From: ajbrehm at gmail.com (Andrew Brehm)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:46:22 +0000
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] CocoaSharp Web site
In-Reply-To: <49f8fc020803191022r1c9da5fag1592017af321cb01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49f8fc020803191022r1c9da5fag1592017af321cb01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49f8fc020803280546p13829473p5a1d17fa775388d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello?

Anybody still reading this?

We seem to have reached a low point again.

I looked through some of the source and I think I understood how some
of it works. I'll experiment a bit on the weekend.

As for the site, can we improve it? Can I try? Which logos can I use?


On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Brehm <ajbrehm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  And again I ask if anybody wants to make the Web site look a bit nicer.
>
>  If nobody volunteers, please someone tell me which logos I can use and
>  I will try my best at least to change the site from the Mambo default
>  look.
>
>  Anyone?
>

From mandel at themacaque.com  Fri Mar 28 08:56:14 2008
From: mandel at themacaque.com (Manuel de la Pena)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:56:14 +0100
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] CocoaSharp Web site
In-Reply-To: <49f8fc020803280546p13829473p5a1d17fa775388d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49f8fc020803191022r1c9da5fag1592017af321cb01@mail.gmail.com>
	<49f8fc020803280546p13829473p5a1d17fa775388d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1206708975.4298.2.camel@dhcppc6>

As far as I know we do not have any logo, and I though of using a mug
with a monkey logo on it (cocoa + mono) but I don't really know.

It is taking me longer than I though, I can code but my design skills
are bellow 0.

I have started doing some work on it, but I'm really bad with
html :( and is taking me longer than I though.any help would be more
than welcome.

Cheers,

Manuel
On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 12:46 +0000, Andrew Brehm wrote:
> Hello?
> 
> Anybody still reading this?
> 
> We seem to have reached a low point again.
> 
> I looked through some of the source and I think I understood how some
> of it works. I'll experiment a bit on the weekend.
> 
> As for the site, can we improve it? Can I try? Which logos can I use?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Brehm <ajbrehm at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >  And again I ask if anybody wants to make the Web site look a bit nicer.
> >
> >  If nobody volunteers, please someone tell me which logos I can use and
> >  I will try my best at least to change the site from the Mambo default
> >  look.
> >
> >  Anyone?
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp


From d.mueller at mac-garden.com  Fri Mar 28 09:17:08 2008
From: d.mueller at mac-garden.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dennis_M=FCller?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:17:08 +0100
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] CocoaSharp Web site
In-Reply-To: <1206708975.4298.2.camel@dhcppc6>
References: <49f8fc020803191022r1c9da5fag1592017af321cb01@mail.gmail.com>
	<49f8fc020803280546p13829473p5a1d17fa775388d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1206708975.4298.2.camel@dhcppc6>
Message-ID: <B3D8E9A9-A5B3-4B66-B339-1B8223086ED3@mac-garden.com>

here a logo for you guys,

i know its nothing special, but it is something ;-)



greetings from germany,
Dennis

im happy to hear your oppinons

Am 28.03.2008 um 13:56 schrieb Manuel de la Pena:

> As far as I know we do not have any logo, and I though of using a mug
> with a monkey logo on it (cocoa + mono) but I don't really know.
>
> It is taking me longer than I though, I can code but my design skills
> are bellow 0.
>
> I have started doing some work on it, but I'm really bad with
> html :( and is taking me longer than I though.any help would be more
> than welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Manuel
> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 12:46 +0000, Andrew Brehm wrote:
>> Hello?
>>
>> Anybody still reading this?
>>
>> We seem to have reached a low point again.
>>
>> I looked through some of the source and I think I understood how some
>> of it works. I'll experiment a bit on the weekend.
>>
>> As for the site, can we improve it? Can I try? Which logos can I use?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Brehm <ajbrehm at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> And again I ask if anybody wants to make the Web site look a bit  
>>> nicer.
>>>
>>> If nobody volunteers, please someone tell me which logos I can use  
>>> and
>>> I will try my best at least to change the site from the Mambo  
>>> default
>>> look.
>>>
>>> Anyone?
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
>> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp



Mit freundlichen Gr??en - best regards

Dennis M?ller
d.mueller at mac-garden.com

MacGarden - electronic lifestyle
Schlo?berg 19
75175 Pforzheim
Tel.: 07231/44 34 108
Fax: 07231/44 34 106
info at mac-garden.com
www.mac-garden.com


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From ajbrehm at gmail.com  Fri Mar 28 10:17:34 2008
From: ajbrehm at gmail.com (Andrew Brehm)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:17:34 +0000
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] CocoaSharp Web site
In-Reply-To: <B3D8E9A9-A5B3-4B66-B339-1B8223086ED3@mac-garden.com>
References: <49f8fc020803191022r1c9da5fag1592017af321cb01@mail.gmail.com>
	<49f8fc020803280546p13829473p5a1d17fa775388d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1206708975.4298.2.camel@dhcppc6>
	<B3D8E9A9-A5B3-4B66-B339-1B8223086ED3@mac-garden.com>
Message-ID: <49f8fc020803280717o48bc877tb1acefc2cc253ba6@mail.gmail.com>

I like it a lot!

Sehr gut. :-)

It has the hot cocoa and everything.



On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Dennis M?ller <d.mueller at mac-garden.com> wrote:
>
> here a logo for you guys,
>
> i know its nothing special, but it is something ;-)
>
>
>
> greetings from germany,
> Dennis
>
> im happy to hear your oppinons
> Am 28.03.2008 um 13:56 schrieb Manuel de la Pena:
>
>
> As far as I know we do not have any logo, and I though of using a mug
> with a monkey logo on it (cocoa + mono) but I don't really know.
>
> It is taking me longer than I though, I can code but my design skills
> are bellow 0.
>
> I have started doing some work on it, but I'm really bad with
> html :( and is taking me longer than I though.any help would be more
> than welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Manuel
> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 12:46 +0000, Andrew Brehm wrote:
> Hello?
>
> Anybody still reading this?
>
> We seem to have reached a low point again.
>
> I looked through some of the source and I think I understood how some
> of it works. I'll experiment a bit on the weekend.
>
> As for the site, can we improve it? Can I try? Which logos can I use?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Brehm <ajbrehm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
>  And again I ask if anybody wants to make the Web site look a bit nicer.
>
>
>
>  If nobody volunteers, please someone tell me which logos I can use and
>
>  I will try my best at least to change the site from the Mambo default
>
>  look.
>
>
>
>  Anyone?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en - best regards
>
> Dennis M?ller
> d.mueller at mac-garden.com
>
> MacGarden - electronic lifestyle
> Schlo?berg 19
> 75175 Pforzheim
> Tel.: 07231/44 34 108
> Fax: 07231/44 34 106
> info at mac-garden.com
> www.mac-garden.com
>
>

From chuck.esterbrook at gmail.com  Fri Mar 28 19:30:22 2008
From: chuck.esterbrook at gmail.com (Chuck Esterbrook)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:30:22 -0700
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] CocoaSharp Web site
In-Reply-To: <B3D8E9A9-A5B3-4B66-B339-1B8223086ED3@mac-garden.com>
References: <49f8fc020803191022r1c9da5fag1592017af321cb01@mail.gmail.com>
	<49f8fc020803280546p13829473p5a1d17fa775388d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1206708975.4298.2.camel@dhcppc6>
	<B3D8E9A9-A5B3-4B66-B339-1B8223086ED3@mac-garden.com>
Message-ID: <94cdd26f0803281630q47f41bbbs44af0b05d3eee94c@mail.gmail.com>

It would be neat if the monkey was holding a mug to his lips in the
same black and white illustration style. There would be a curvy thing
above the mug to represent steam.

-Chuck


On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Dennis M?ller <d.mueller at mac-garden.com> wrote:
>
> here a logo for you guys,
>
> i know its nothing special, but it is something ;-)
>
>
>
> greetings from germany,
> Dennis
>
> im happy to hear your oppinons
> Am 28.03.2008 um 13:56 schrieb Manuel de la Pena:
>
>
> As far as I know we do not have any logo, and I though of using a mug
> with a monkey logo on it (cocoa + mono) but I don't really know.
>
> It is taking me longer than I though, I can code but my design skills
> are bellow 0.
>
> I have started doing some work on it, but I'm really bad with
> html :( and is taking me longer than I though.any help would be more
> than welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Manuel
> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 12:46 +0000, Andrew Brehm wrote:
> Hello?
>
> Anybody still reading this?
>
> We seem to have reached a low point again.
>
> I looked through some of the source and I think I understood how some
> of it works. I'll experiment a bit on the weekend.
>
> As for the site, can we improve it? Can I try? Which logos can I use?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Brehm <ajbrehm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
>  And again I ask if anybody wants to make the Web site look a bit nicer.
>
>
>
>  If nobody volunteers, please someone tell me which logos I can use and
>
>  I will try my best at least to change the site from the Mambo default
>
>  look.
>
>
>
>  Anyone?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en - best regards
>
> Dennis M?ller
> d.mueller at mac-garden.com
>
> MacGarden - electronic lifestyle
> Schlo?berg 19
> 75175 Pforzheim
> Tel.: 07231/44 34 108
> Fax: 07231/44 34 106
> info at mac-garden.com
> www.mac-garden.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  Cocoa-sharp mailing list
>  Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
>  http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
>
>

From misulica.o at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 00:09:35 2008
From: misulica.o at gmail.com (Mihai Oprea)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:09:35 -0400
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] CocoaSharp Web site
In-Reply-To: <94cdd26f0803281630q47f41bbbs44af0b05d3eee94c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49f8fc020803191022r1c9da5fag1592017af321cb01@mail.gmail.com>
	<49f8fc020803280546p13829473p5a1d17fa775388d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1206708975.4298.2.camel@dhcppc6>
	<B3D8E9A9-A5B3-4B66-B339-1B8223086ED3@mac-garden.com>
	<94cdd26f0803281630q47f41bbbs44af0b05d3eee94c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d33edcb0803302109mdea42dav580f3bf85bae0260@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know where I can get a higher resolution version of the Mono
monkey? And also, the image size for the logo? I think I can attempt to make
a drinking one :)

Mihai

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Chuck Esterbrook <
chuck.esterbrook at gmail.com> wrote:

> It would be neat if the monkey was holding a mug to his lips in the
> same black and white illustration style. There would be a curvy thing
> above the mug to represent steam.
>
> -Chuck
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Dennis M?ller <d.mueller at mac-garden.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > here a logo for you guys,
> >
> > i know its nothing special, but it is something ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > greetings from germany,
> > Dennis
> >
> > im happy to hear your oppinons
> > Am 28.03.2008 um 13:56 schrieb Manuel de la Pena:
> >
> >
> > As far as I know we do not have any logo, and I though of using a mug
> > with a monkey logo on it (cocoa + mono) but I don't really know.
> >
> > It is taking me longer than I though, I can code but my design skills
> > are bellow 0.
> >
> > I have started doing some work on it, but I'm really bad with
> > html :( and is taking me longer than I though.any help would be more
> > than welcome.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Manuel
> > On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 12:46 +0000, Andrew Brehm wrote:
> > Hello?
> >
> > Anybody still reading this?
> >
> > We seem to have reached a low point again.
> >
> > I looked through some of the source and I think I understood how some
> > of it works. I'll experiment a bit on the weekend.
> >
> > As for the site, can we improve it? Can I try? Which logos can I use?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Brehm <ajbrehm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> >  And again I ask if anybody wants to make the Web site look a bit nicer.
> >
> >
> >
> >  If nobody volunteers, please someone tell me which logos I can use and
> >
> >  I will try my best at least to change the site from the Mambo default
> >
> >  look.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Anyone?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> > Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> > Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
> >
> >
> >
> > Mit freundlichen Gr??en - best regards
> >
> > Dennis M?ller
> > d.mueller at mac-garden.com
> >
> > MacGarden - electronic lifestyle
> > Schlo?berg 19
> > 75175 Pforzheim
> > Tel.: 07231/44 34 108
> > Fax: 07231/44 34 106
> > info at mac-garden.com
> > www.mac-garden.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >  Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> >  Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> >  http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cocoa-sharp mailing list
> Cocoa-sharp at lists.ximian.com
> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-sharp
>



-- 
Mihai Oprea

School of Engineering and Applied Science
University of Pennsylvania '09
Phone: +1 (970) 412 1909
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From hrs at libero.it  Mon Mar 31 15:49:39 2008
From: hrs at libero.it (Simon Hayes)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:49:39 +0200
Subject: [Cocoa-sharp] C#Plugin on MacOSX10.4 and Xcode2.5
Message-ID: <AA3F1B2D-F764-4551-9F33-485F2B6BD52A@libero.it>

Hi guys

I've tried to install the c# plugin for Xcode from
http://code.google.com/p/cocoa-sharp-dev/wiki/CSharpPlugin

I know that is out of date but is the only thing I found, also here
http://cocoa-sharp.com/

is still quoted that page.

I tried first the installer (being a lazy boy) but that wasn't  
working, I didn't even get the templates,
after a while I found out that the installing directory was wrong, nor
~/Library/Application Support/Apple/Developer Tools/
/Library/Application Support/Apple/Developer Tools/

were searched by the starting Xcode (nor was /Library/Application  
Support/Developer/2.5/Xcode/ quoted here http://michelf.com/projects/ 
d-for-xcode/)

I found out it was /Developer/Library/Xcode
moved the template the only thing still not working was the plug-in  
itself that gives this error in the console

2008-03-27 23:47:58.648 Xcode[847] *** -[NSBundle load]: Error  
loading code /Developer/Library/Xcode/Plug-ins/ 
CSharpXcodePlugin.pbplugin/Contents/MacOS/CSharpXcodePlugin for  
bundle /Developer/Library/Xcode/Plug-ins/CSharpXcodePlugin.pbplugin,  
error code 4 (link edit error code 4, error number 0 (Library not  
loaded: /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DevToolsCore.framework/ 
Versions/A/DevToolsCore
   Referenced from: /Developer/Library/Xcode/Plug-ins/ 
CSharpXcodePlugin.pbplugin/Contents/MacOS/CSharpXcodePlugin
   Reason: image not found))
2008-03-27 23:47:58.648 Xcode[847] WARNING: Failed to load plugin  
at: /Developer/Library/Xcode/Plug-ins/CSharpXcodePlugin.pbplugin,  
skipping.  Could not load bundle.

So I tried to compile from sources, but still there is something wrong.
As I open the project I see three red references. the first is the  
"CSharpXcodePlugin.pbplugin"
and that's ok, still to build...
But then I see also DevToolsCore.framework and  
DevToolsSupport.framework in red, alongside with Cocoa.framework  
that's black. I checked the paths and were wrong, and here the  
problems comes to a mess.
There are different directories namede DevToolsCore.framework and  
DevToolsSupport.framework I choosed the more likely
/Library/PrivateFrameworks/
but cannot find any headers to put in, just like the Cocoa.framework  
has.
If I go for a build I receive an error but can't see wich one it is,  
can't find any clear statement in Xcode output.

Anyone knows what I can do about this?
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