[Mono-list] Phalanger on Mono
bonefry at gmail.com
Thu Aug 3 03:41:47 EDT 2006
I am not on the Mono-dev team, so my opinion doesn't really matter that
much, but ...
PHP is first and furthermost *a platform*, not a language.
People use PHP because of mod_php and Apache, not because of the way you
construct strings ... which I think it is a stupid assumption.
People use PHP because it is very *cheap* to have an Apache server with
mod_php installed. Period.
People *do not* use PHP because it is a beautiful language ... in fact
it has lots and lots of problems, which you obviously seem to not know
about and/or ignore.
Both Python and PHP are languages defined by their implementations,
since they are not standardized. They play the role of wrappers for C
libraries ... they where designed for this. That's the main reason
Jython, IronPython, Phalanger, or whatever ... will never be used
outside a very small niche.
And btw ... Python is a lot more mature and complete. Python is fully
object-oriented. Python is general-purpose. Python is used for many
mission-critical applications ... so lets not compare apples to oranges
here, and bash a language because the string construction doesn't feel
right ... which I think it is very shortsighted ;)
About MONO's support ... I am sorry to hear that Phalanger doesn't work
on Mono. I really do. But considering that many other languages run on
top of Mono, I think you should be talking firstly with the Phalanger's
dev team, because I am under the impression they didn't really try.
And btw ... the "P" in LAMP is primarily for Perl ;)
PS: don't get offended by my tone. I just woke up, and I'm incapable of
civilized conversations in the morning :)
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 11:45 +0530, Ligesh wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:28:33PM +0900, Atsushi Eno wrote:
> > Pedro Sobota wrote:
> > >> No matter how Phalanger is important for you, it is just one of
> > >> applications from the point of a managed runtime's view. (...) If you want Phalanger on Mono and there are missing bits, we'd welcome your patches to fix the issues (it happens with related to many applications such as Nemerle and Boo).
> > > Is it just me or this sounds like "it's not important for Mono, if it is
> > > for you, you're on your own".
> > Of course Phalanger is not important enough for Mono to support
> > OFFICIALLY. There is nothing you can feel odd.
> No no.. That's not a correct attitude, especially since Phalanger is not just 'another application'. Having Phalanger would be very advantageous for Mono, since it is actually the most mature non-microsoft compiler I know of. PHP is the simplest and most popular language out there for web, and I am still not able to understand how you can dismiss it offhand. Or you mean you have no interest in reaching the millions of php developers out there? You are primarily a platform vendor, and your focus is developers. With phalanger you get a ready made team of millions of skilled and semi-skilled php coders, and even the people who are new to web, and whose first language of choice is PHP. I mean, I am totally at a loss as to how to make sense of your attitude.
> From my discussion with Phalanger people, I did realize that their primary focus was the Windows platform, but they were ready to co-operate in any effort to make it work on Mono--at least they were not dismissive of Mono like you are of Phalanger.
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