[Users] Evolution - and nothing else.
Sean McHenry
smchenry@columbus.rr.com
Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:14:19 -0400
I will have to take these answers to mean that Evolution will always be dependant on Ximian libs and packages then? I am really asking this, is there a way to install Evolution on my up to date RedHat 7.2 system as a stand alone application without installing ANYTHING Ximian on the system? All I want to ever have to worry about upgrading is the RedHat packages that came with the RedHat system.
I have upgraded to Mozilla 1.0 and love it. I have done other upgrades that are apparently not in line with Ximians re-packaging and I do not plan to go backwards to satisfy dependencies for any application that uses (almost) proprietary packaging. Isn't that really the sort of thing we all got upset with M$ about? Trapping you into a line of packages that might or might not be supported at any given time?
Sean McHenry
McHenry Technologies
Hilliard, Ohio 43026
http://www.McHenryTech.com/
smchenry@columbus.rr.com
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Open Office 1.0 inferior to Open Office 641d Developer Version (Russ Haskett)
2. Re: Fwd: Re: [Users] Ximian broke my linux :( (Richard Crawford)
3. RE: Ximian broke my linux :( (Aaron Baer)
4. RE: Ximian broke my linux :( (Craig Williams)
5. Re: wish (Raider)
6. Re: Ximian W32 version (Raider)
7. Re: Users digest, Vol 1 #271 - 11 msgs (Mike Blackwell)
8. Re: Re: Users digest, Vol 1 #271 - 11 msgs (Luciano Chavez)
9. Re: Ximian over SuSe 8 install tips? (Matthias Hentges)
10. Re: Evolution - and nothing else. (Adam Williams)
11. Re: Red Carpet for SuSe 8.0? (Matthias Hentges)
12. Re: Fwd: Re: [Users] Ximian broke my linux :( (Charles Sullivan)
13. Re: wish (David Eduardo Gomez Noguera)
14. Re: Evolution - and nothing else. (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E5rten?= Woxberg)
15. Re: Evolution - and nothing else. (Adam Williams)
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Message: 1
Subject: Re: [Users] Open Office 1.0 inferior to Open Office 641d Developer Version
From: Russ Haskett <webmaster@psysolutions.com>
To: Ximian <users@ximian.com> <319FB8934F09BF48A3F322837088266763FFF5@wsimail.worksystems.org>
Date: 04 Jun 2002 15:09:39 -0500
i have been using OOo 1.0 on my redhat 7.2 (2.4.18 kernel) since a few days after it came out. i have also loaded it on win98 and NT boxes. all has gone well and i have found the program to be bug free so far on all boxes (although it's slow on the win98 box).
your problem could be with changes in the RedHat 7.3
just my experience, hope this helps
On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 14:48, Eric Jahn wrote:
> Using Redhat Linux 7.3, but I imagine this applies to other flavors of
> Linux, the OO 1.0 install was buggy and crashed. Using OO 641D or OO
> 641C (latest stable developer build), the install worked correctly and
> the operation of the program is flawless. I wish Ximian would put a
> better build of open office on their Redcarpet service.
>
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Message: 2
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Users] Ximian broke my linux :(
From: Richard Crawford <rscrawford@mossroot.com>
To: Aaron Weber <aaron@ximian.com>
Cc: "linux.eqed" <linux.eqed@directvinternet.com>, users@ximian.com <1023220162.14104.26.camel@gimlet>
Date: 04 Jun 2002 13:16:42 -0700
Bravo! Aaron, you just said much more eloquently what I was just now trying to say on another list. I even used the car analogy.
On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 12:48, Aaron Weber wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 15:26, linux.eqed wrote:
>
> ------- Start of forwarded message -------
> From: linux.eqed <linux.eqed@directvinternet.com>
> To: Aaron Baer <judah@opusnet.com>
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [Users] Ximian broke my linux :(
> Date: 6/4/2002 3:23:59 PM
>
>
>
> A friend of mine told me, he doesn't care how his car works he want to go to
> work and the store and the baseball game.
>
> That's a common comparison. One of the things that we're trying to do
> at Ximian is create something that "just works"-- but remember, you
> had to learn a lot about how to drive a car before you were allowed to
> handle it alone. You may have heard the story of the kid given a new
> car for his 16th birthday, who drove it until the engine just froze.
> "What do you mean, I had to change the oil?" he said. Things are not
> always as simple as we imagine them to be.
>
> But yes, Linux is, in many ways, not yet as easy as Windows. In other
> ways, it's easier, especially if you have a good "mechanic." Zumiez,
> for example, the clothing retailer, uses a version of Ximian desktop
> with just three buttons on the desktop: Mail, Spreadsheet, and their
> Point-of-sale application. The store managers don't know what's
> inside, and they don't care what's inside. They never touch it.
>
>
> Why do I have to re-compile the kernel to get ip-masq working..
>
> I'm not sure why you had to recompile the kernel for that task.
> This is a failing if you did. Windows probably swaps out one or
> another kernel module and makes you reboot... you should similarly be
> able to get a newer kernel and turn ip masqs on without any
> compilation.
>
> Why is there no apps for burning my dvd home videos (to dvd format
> not just mpeg's)
>
> Playing, recording, and decryption of DVDs with open source software
> is illegal under international copyright law and the Digital Millenium
> Copyright Act. If you'd like to change these laws, contact your
> lawmakers and/or make a donation to the Electronic Frontier Foundation
> at http://eff.org.
>
> It's true that the general system administration tools are not as
> pleasant as they could be. The XST project does some work to promote
> the ease of configuration for Linux and UNIX systems' font handling,
> user configuration, sharing, disk and memory management, and so forth,
> and they have made significant amounts of progress. If you're
> interested in getting involved, visit #xst or #gnome on irc.gnome.org,
> or subscribe to the gnome-hackers mailing list.
>
> Why don't these programs exist? Well, they haven't been written.
> Yet. What are you going to do about it?
>
> I know what I'm doing about it-- I'm contributing to the ease of use
> of free software by writing additional manuals, participating in
> mailing lists and online conversations, supporting people whenever
> they run into problems I've seen before, filing bug reports for
> software... I can't program, but that hasn't stopped me and you
> shouldn't let it stop you either.
>
> Yours,
> Aaron Weber
> Ximian, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Subject: RE: [Users] Ximian broke my linux :(
From: Aaron Baer <judah@opusnet.com>
To: craig@ip80.com
Cc: ximian-users <users@ximian.com>
Date: 04 Jun 2002 13:24:38 -0700
Wow.. That's terribly drastic..
Next time feel free to email back to the list or the person who responds to your post with more details and or issues after your attempts to fix fail.. I can guarantee that your problem could have been fixed without reloading the whole machine.. However, every time you install a Linux system you usually learn something new so you may not have lost out this time.
The problem at that point was most likely with X itself and not with gdm specifically .. The file that controls the settings for XFree86 ver. 4 is called XF86Conf-4 and is typically located in /etc/X11 . Things like Keyboard mapping, Mouse Device configuration, Hardware Drivers, resolution, screen depth are defined for X Windows in this file.
After the machine booted and X would not start you were most likely presented with a console login prompt correct? Logging in there as root and running sax2 would have helped you configure these settings..
Have you attempted to install Ximian again? Were you successful this time?
A-
On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 12:08, Craig Williams wrote:
> Nope, had to rebuild my machine.
>
> I fixed the gdm.conf file but X still wouldn't start on boot and I
> could'nt find a way to recover gnome.
>
> I've logged this bug.
>
> Craig
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron Baer [mailto:judah@opusnet.com]
> > Sent: 04 June 2002 19:36
> > To: craig@ip80.com
> > Subject: Re: [Users] Ximian broke my linux :(
> >
> >
> > Have you had any luck solving this issue?
> >
> > A-
> >
> > On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 16:22, Aaron Baer wrote:
> > > Well for one thing it didn't break "your linux" .. What happened
> > > is
> > > that X Windows, which runs on top of of the linux kernel as an
> > > application, had it's configuration changed during the installation
> > > and now is not functioning properly for your video card and
> > resolution
> > > capabilities.
> > >
> > > Log in as root at the console and try using sax2 from the
> > command line
> > > to reconfigure X..
> > >
> > > I'm not an avid SuSe user so there might be someone else
> > lurking that
> > > can point you in a more clear direction. The main point is
> > your linux
> > > is not broken...
> > >
> > > Have patience, Have fun, in time everything will come naturally,
> > > A-
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 15:36, Craig Williams wrote:
> > > > I just installed the complete desktop "Everything".
> > > >
> > > > After reboot I get an error about gdm and X doesn't start.
> > > >
> > > > Suse8.0 ?
> > > >
> > > > any ideas ?
> > > >
> > > > C
> >
> > --
> > ----
> > Aaron Baer
> > judah@opusnet.com
> > http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Reply-To: <craig@ip80.com>
From: "Craig Williams" <craig@ip80.com>
To: <users@ximian.com>
Subject: RE: [Users] Ximian broke my linux :(
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:30:32 +0100
charset="us-ascii"
Hi Aaron,
As you rightly say, I enjoy installing linux at present because it keeps the process fresh in my brain :) I'm too used to slackware, my old os (no good for dev.)
I could run X but only with the KDE desktop. I wanted to try again but someone else mentioned that gdm didn't work with ximian and suse8 but I can't seem to NOT install it.
I was thinking of backing up the various conf files and then installing and if it broke again, just replace the conf files and see what happens ?
thanks
Craig
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Baer [mailto:judah@opusnet.com]
> Sent: 04 June 2002 21:25
> To: craig@ip80.com
> Cc: ximian-users
> Subject: RE: [Users] Ximian broke my linux :(
>
>
> Wow.. That's terribly drastic..
>
> Next time feel free to email back to the list or the person
> who responds to your post with more details and or issues
> after your attempts to fix fail.. I can guarantee that your
> problem could have been fixed without reloading the whole
> machine.. However, every time you install a Linux system you
> usually learn something new so you may not have lost out this time.
>
> The problem at that point was most likely with X itself and
> not with gdm specifically .. The file that controls the
> settings for XFree86 ver. 4 is called XF86Conf-4 and is
> typically located in /etc/X11 . Things like Keyboard mapping,
> Mouse Device configuration, Hardware Drivers, resolution,
> screen depth are defined for X Windows in this file.
> After the machine booted and X would not start you were most
> likely presented with a console login prompt correct? Logging
> in there as root and running sax2 would have helped you
> configure these settings..
>
> Have you attempted to install Ximian again? Were you
> successful this time?
>
> A-
>
> On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 12:08, Craig Williams wrote:
> > Nope, had to rebuild my machine.
> >
> > I fixed the gdm.conf file but X still wouldn't start on boot and I
> > could'nt find a way to recover gnome.
> >
> > I've logged this bug.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Aaron Baer [mailto:judah@opusnet.com]
> > > Sent: 04 June 2002 19:36
> > > To: craig@ip80.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Users] Ximian broke my linux :(
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you had any luck solving this issue?
> > >
> > > A-
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 16:22, Aaron Baer wrote:
> > > > Well for one thing it didn't break "your linux" .. What
> happened
> > > > is
> > > > that X Windows, which runs on top of of the linux kernel as an
> > > > application, had it's configuration changed during the
> installation
> > > > and now is not functioning properly for your video card and
> > > resolution
> > > > capabilities.
> > > >
> > > > Log in as root at the console and try using sax2 from the
> > > command line
> > > > to reconfigure X..
> > > >
> > > > I'm not an avid SuSe user so there might be someone else
> > > lurking that
> > > > can point you in a more clear direction. The main point is
> > > your linux
> > > > is not broken...
> > > >
> > > > Have patience, Have fun, in time everything will come naturally,
> > > > A-
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 15:36, Craig Williams wrote:
> > > > > I just installed the complete desktop "Everything".
> > > > >
> > > > > After reboot I get an error about gdm and X doesn't start.
> > > > >
> > > > > Suse8.0 ?
> > > > >
> > > > > any ideas ?
> > > > >
> > > > > C
> > >
> > > --
> > > ----
> > > Aaron Baer
> > > judah@opusnet.com
> > > http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Users maillist - Users@ximian.com
> > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/users
> >
> --
> ----
> Aaron Baer
> judah@opusnet.com
> http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~baera/
>
>
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Message: 5
Subject: Re: [Users] wish
From: Raider <georgep@gmx.net>
To: David Eduardo Gomez Noguera <davidgn@servidor.unam.mx>
Cc: Ximian <users@ximian.com>
Date: 04 Jun 2002 23:48:00 +0300
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The Evolution filtering system is at least primitive. Hmm... who knows? Maybe because most email users aren't even aware of the existance of filters. Anyway, I'll give you the advice the Evolution developers gave me a few days ago: use procmail which is a real filtering system. With procmail you get formail - a tool specialised in breaking digests into messages.
On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 02:28, David Eduardo Gomez Noguera wrote:
> Hello.
> This might already be supported but i dont know, so i think this would
>be cool. =20
> Some way to browse/reply/store mailing list that come in digest, as to
> be able to reply to only one message.
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Message: 6
Subject: Re: [Users] Ximian W32 version
From: Raider <georgep@gmx.net>
To: Paulo Silva <correasilva@romeninghsw.com>
Cc: users@ximian.com
Date: 04 Jun 2002 23:48:32 +0300
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On Sat, 1997-10-11 at 10:21, Paulo Silva wrote:
> do you have plans on compiling and distribute Windoz32 versions of
> Ximian Evolution? - i'm asking this because a lot of people is not
> crazy on usin=
g
> Outlook, and the lacks Eudora and others still have
What do you mean with "the lacks Eudora..."? Because it is older, or whatever other reason might be, Eudora can't be compared at the current time with Evolution. Of course, Evolution has its advantages - like being open source. But Evolution has a long way ahead before getting to Eudora (I'm talking about v5.1).
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Message: 7
From: Mike Blackwell <mblackwell@wallace.com>
To: users@ximian.com
Date: 04 Jun 2002 16:02:16 -0500
Subject: [Users] Re: Users digest, Vol 1 #271 - 11 msgs
> From: linux.eqed <linux.eqed@directvinternet.com>
why is there no hard drive management tool comparable to Partition Magic,
To be accurate, Partition Magic runs under DR DOS, not any Microsoft os. Look closely at those messages when the Partition Magic disk boots.
Anyway, I used it to set up a dual boot Linux/Win2k and it worked just fine. It's os neutral :)
Mike
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Message: 8
Subject: Re: [Users] Re: Users digest, Vol 1 #271 - 11 msgs
From: Luciano Chavez <lnx1138@us.ibm.com>
To: Mike Blackwell <mblackwell@wallace.com>
Cc: users@ximian.com <1023224540.3425.4.camel@mike_b_linux.wallace.com>
Date: 04 Jun 2002 16:52:38 -0500
On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 16:02, Mike Blackwell wrote:
> > From: linux.eqed <linux.eqed@directvinternet.com>
> why is there no hard drive management tool comparable to Partition
> Magic,
<plug>
Take a look at EVMS (Enterprise Volume Management System). http://evms.sourceforge.net </plug>
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http://evms.sourceforge.net
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Message: 9
Subject: Re: [Users] Ximian over SuSe 8 install tips?
From: Matthias Hentges <mailinglisten00@hentges.net>
To: Rodney Dawes <dobey@ximian.com>
Cc: users@ximian.com
<1023184455.1166.9.camel@mhcln01> <1023191124.19937.10.camel@beatbox>
Date: 05 Jun 2002 00:58:28 +0200
Am Die, 2002-06-04 um 13.45 schrieb Rodney Dawes:
> How is it broken? If you find problems, please file a bug
If i update my current out-of-the-box gdm (maybe updated using YOU, i dont remember) with ximian gdm using red-carpet, then not all my "Sessions" will be accessible.
Ie: i have the following "Sessions" in /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/Sessions:
Default
failsafe (symlink)
gnome (symlink)
kde (symlink)
mwm (symlink)
sawfish (symlink)
windowmaker (symlink)
With ximian gdm KDE, WindowMaker and mwm are not selectable during login. GDM claims that my default Session (WindowMaker) is not installed when i try to log in.
Also if i want to configure gdm using the menu item "configure" in gdm my root password is not accepted (nope... Capslock wasn't on hehe). I tried it maybe 10 times but it never worked. I didnt even see any error in /var/log/messages about failed logins or such.
With the out-of-the-box SuSE gdm i dont have any of the problems above.
> -- dobey
>
> On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 05:55, Matthias Hentges wrote:
> Am Die, 2002-06-04 um 05.33 schrieb Bill Burton:
> >
> > Any tips, or pitfalls to avoid, when installing Ximian Desktop
> over SuSE 8?
>
> Installed w/o problems on my SuSE 8.0.
> If you are using gdm as login manager, dont update it because
> the ximian gdm is kinda broken
>
> --
> Matthias Hentges
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Subject: Re: [Users] Evolution - and nothing else.
From: Adam Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org>
To: smchenry@columbus.rr.com
Cc: users@ximian.com
Date: 04 Jun 2002 19:25:26 -0400
>Just wondering if the current (Or future versions) of Evolution will
>allow installation on a stock RedHat (7.2 currently) box without having
Rh7.3 ships with evolution. Evolution does not require Ximian (per se), but a recent full version of GNOME.
>to be dependant on exterior Ximian formatted libraries or other
>applications? I am not in a position to install any packages that will
>create a dependancy on Ximian and want to keep it that way, but I do
>want to try Evo.
>Last time I grabbed the RH Evo package, it wanted me to install several
>Ximian apps to go along with it, like a bonobo-ximian package and so on.
>Any way around this?
No. bonobo-ximian isn't an application. Bonobo is the GNOME component system. Evolution is a Bonobo application (a skin around several Bonobo components, to put is simply).
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Message: 11
Subject: Re: [Users] Red Carpet for SuSe 8.0?
From: Matthias Hentges <eebe@gmx.net>
To: users@ximian.com
Date: 05 Jun 2002 01:33:09 +0200
Am Die, 2002-06-04 um 21.56 schrieb Robert Floyd:
> I see that the Ximian desktop is now available for SuSe 8.0. However,
> I'd like to install just Red Carpet, and that still does not seem to
> support SuSe 8.0.
Download the red-carpet rpm from the ximian ftp-server in the SuSE8.0 subfolder. Sorry i can't remember the URL.
Works for me.
> Is there something strange with 8.0? I also notice the SuSe FTP site
> doesn't have the 8.0 distro for download yet.
i dont think the full 8.0 will be for download anytime soon. Maybe they will upload a "live" CD
Remember: SuSE wants to *sell* their distro :)
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Message: 12
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Users] Ximian broke my linux :(
From: Charles Sullivan <cwsulliv@triad.rr.com>
To: users@ximian.com
<1023220162.14104.26.camel@gimlet>
Date: 04 Jun 2002 19:57:25 -0400
On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 15:48, Aaron Weber wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 15:26, linux.eqed wrote:
> Why is there no apps for burning my dvd home videos (to dvd format
> not just mpeg's)
>
> Playing, recording, and decryption of DVDs with open source software
> is illegal under international copyright law and the Digital Millenium
> Copyright Act. If you'd like to change these laws, contact your
> lawmakers and/or make a donation to the Electronic Frontier Foundation
> at http://eff.org.
The legal issue per the MDCA is the decryption of encrypted DVDs, not playing or recording DVDs per se. Certainly there are open-source DVD players, e.g., Xine, which are legal in the USA, but of course all (or almost all) commercially-published DVDs are encrypted and can't be played without the use of illegal plugins. I second your advice to those who would like to see this (IMO inane and destructive) law
changed. The EFF is a good starting place to learn about the issues.
There does appear to be a dearth of Linux software drivers for the available (legal) DVD burners at the present time. Perhaps this will improve if the popularity of these burners helps bring their prices down.
(Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and the above must be considered as only my own personal opinion.)
Regards,
Charles Sullivan
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Message: 13
Subject: Re: [Users] wish
From: David Eduardo Gomez Noguera <davidgn@servidor.unam.mx>
To: Raider <georgep@gmx.net>
Cc: Ximian <users@ximian.com> <1023223337.1974.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Date: 04 Jun 2002 20:51:06 -0500
And their response most have got you by the way you answered, saying most users are not even aware of the existandce of filters and all.
I was not thinking on filtering, or breaking a digest into various mail, i was just like proposing. (not marriage, of course)
I Like having digests so that i dont fludge my "folders" with mail. Its also a nice way to store it. Anyway, in the heading of each mail on a digest, a context menu would be a nice feature. Just my thoughts.
Though finding a way to browse through threads in such situation would be crazy.
(alway wanted to say this.)
Just my cent. :)
On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 15:48, Raider wrote:
> The Evolution filtering system is at least primitive. Hmm... who
> knows? Maybe because most email users aren't even aware of the
> existance of filters. Anyway, I'll give you the advice the Evolution
> developers gave me a few days ago: use procmail which is a real
> filtering system. With procmail you get formail - a tool specialised
> in breaking digests into messages.
>
> On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 02:28, David Eduardo Gomez Noguera wrote:
> > Hello.
> > This might already be supported but i dont know, so i think this
> > would be cool.
> >
> > Some way to browse/reply/store mailing list that come in digest, as
> > to be able to reply to only one message.
>
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Message: 14
Subject: Re: [Users] Evolution - and nothing else.
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E5rten?= Woxberg <marwo264@student.liu.se>
To: Adam Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org>
Cc: RedCarpetList <users@ximian.com> <1023233126.19193.2.camel@estate1.whitemice.org>
Date: 05 Jun 2002 03:58:09 +0200
ons 2002-06-05 klockan 01.25 skrev Adam Williams:
> >Just wondering if the current (Or future versions) of Evolution will
> >allow installation on a stock RedHat (7.2 currently) box without having
>
> Rh7.3 ships with evolution. Evolution does not require Ximian (per
> se), but a recent full version of GNOME.
Well why not write a Qt-version that isn't bound to Gnome or KDE or any other Desktop Environment.. so that users can choose what to run themselves...
Right now I only use Ximian products like Red-Carpet and Evolution.. RC mostly because it has broken my rpm database totaly so that when I install programs they do not properly register as installed so when I try to rpm -e them all I get is "is not installed" but I know it is since I can run it and the installation went to the full 100%.. I use KDE 3 now because it's so much nicer than Gnome is right now and 2.0 didnt seem to change that.. it broke my entire system instead..
I cant upgrade my Mozilla to 1.0 since Ximian hasnt updated.. I hate that.. why not build programs on the standard libraries instead???
The Gnome libs are just taking up valuable space right now but I need them to run Evolution... and No.. Im not that good of a programmer (yet) so I can change Evo to be none gnome dependant...
> >to be dependant on exterior Ximian formatted libraries or other
> >applications? I am not in a position to install any packages that will
> >create a dependancy on Ximian and want to keep it that way, but I do
> >want to try Evo.
> >Last time I grabbed the RH Evo package, it wanted me to install several
> >Ximian apps to go along with it, like a bonobo-ximian package and so on.
> >Any way around this?
>
> No. bonobo-ximian isn't an application. Bonobo is the GNOME
> component system. Evolution is a Bonobo application (a skin around
> several Bonobo components, to put is simply).
Who named the Calender process (or whatever it is) wombat? WOMBAT => Waste Of Money Brain And Time! (I assume its the calender since when wombat crashes the calender does
too)
/Mårten
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Message: 15
Subject: Re: [Users] Evolution - and nothing else.
From: Adam Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org>
To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E5rten?= Woxberg <marwo264@student.liu.se>
Cc: RedCarpetList <users@ximian.com> <1023233126.19193.2.camel@estate1.whitemice.org>
<1023242294.4793.6.camel@k27>
Date: 04 Jun 2002 22:21:22 -0400
>>>Just wondering if the current (Or future versions) of Evolution will
>>>allow installation on a stock RedHat (7.2 currently) box without having
>>Rh7.3 ships with evolution. Evolution does not require Ximian (per
>>se), but a recent full version of GNOME.
>Well why not write a Qt-version that isn't bound to Gnome or KDE or any
>other Desktop Environment.. so that users can choose what to run
>themselves...
I suppose you could, but Bonobo is tied to the GTK object model. You would basically have to create an entirely new app, probably re-inventing something like Bonobo, CAMEL, etc... along the way. Great apps evolve out of a robust developement environment, and GNOME provides that in spades.
>Right now I only use Ximian products like Red-Carpet and Evolution.. RC
>mostly because it has broken my rpm database totaly so that when I
>install programs they do not properly register as installed so when I
>try to rpm -e them all I get is "is not installed" but I know it is
>since I can run it and the installation went to the full 100%.. I use
>KDE 3 now because it's so much nicer than Gnome is right now and 2.0
>didnt seem to change that.. it broke my entire system instead..
2.0 busted the system I tried it on too, but 2.0 hasn't been released yet, so whose surprised.
>I cant upgrade my Mozilla to 1.0 since Ximian hasnt updated.. I hate
>that.. why not build programs on the standard libraries instead???
Because "standard" libraries just don't provide the functionality.
>The Gnome libs are just taking up valuable space right now but I need
>them to run Evolution... and No.. Im not that good of a programmer
>(yet) so I can change Evo to be none gnome dependant...
GNOME provides functionality Evo needs, so it won't ever be non-gnome dependant.
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